ive been reading all these posts about bethelites and special pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves..
and im trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.
what if my wife and i both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. and what if we were very faithful in listening to everything the organization says.
clarity
Well John ...I am with you .....not your story I hope
Not my story, but I know several, especially sisters who gave up everything and are now hitting their 70s and all alone and living in a dingy place. Some of them have asked me; "What happened, why is the New Order not here yet" I just feel absolutely furious they did this to them. Now can you imagine all the Special Pioneers they are firing who are approaching elderly status?
ive been reading all these posts about bethelites and special pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves..
and im trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.
what if my wife and i both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. and what if we were very faithful in listening to everything the organization says.
Maybe these experiences will act to dissuade others in future from making the same mistakes. But I doubt it
I hope your wrong, I really hope experience after experience keeps being posted on the internet. And movies and news stories on TV keep popping up. The more experiences are floating around, the more exposure to the WT. And the more exposure, the stronger the case is made that the WT is revealed for what it really is-----A Dangerous Cult.
ive been reading all these posts about bethelites and special pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves..
and im trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.
what if my wife and i both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. and what if we were very faithful in listening to everything the organization says.
I’ve been reading all these posts about Bethelites and Special Pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves.
And I’m trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.
What if my wife and I both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. And what if we were very faithful in listening to “Everything” the organization says.
So we obey when they tell everyone that it would be better if young married couples held out on having kids and wait till the NEW ORDER.
And we obey when they tell everyone that it would be better if married couples work part time and pioneer.
And we obey when they tell everyone that it would be better if married couples move to pioneer where the need was greater.
And as the years pass by, we see couples our age having children, buying homes, enjoying grandchildren and saving for retirement.
And it kind of saddens us!
The years pass by and we are now in our 40s and going door to door by ourselves because the congregation we have been assigned to does not really support us. And my wife expresses sadness because she always wanted to have children and I try to comfort her with the words; “Jehovah will bless us hon.”
In our fifties we both lose our parents and we have deep feelings of regret that we didn’t spend much time with them when they were alive. And we are especially pained that we were not there the day they passed because we were told our assignment were more important.
We are now in our 60s and we are still here in this wicked system. My wife has been getting these pains in her abdomen and we decide to tell WT headquarters to see if they can help.
But before we have a chance we get a letter that we have been dismissed from Special Pioneering and I need to find a job.
We have no family alive to go to. So we stay where we are and I start looking for jobs at hamburger joints, landscaping, and construction, anything no matter how hard. But I keep hearing the same words;
“Your kind of old for the Job, so sorry!”
I never built up Social Security or any kind of net to fall on.
Then it happens, my wife starts having severe pains and I have to take her to the hospital. As I talk to admitting, the first thing they ask is;
“What Insurance do you carry?”
This causes a delay in admitting my wife but when she falls to the floor, they take her immediately but won’t let me go with her. I still need to explain why I have no insurance or a job. But thank goodness two elders arrive to help. I explain the situation to them so they can help. And their first words after I finished explaining the situation are;
“You know she can’t take blood, right”
As soon as they say those words the doctor comes in and tells me my wife is hemorrhaging internally and needs blood.
The elders immediately speak up and tell the doctor, “We are Jehovah’s Witness and don’t take blood.
And a battle of words between the elders and the doctor begins. Finally the doctor leaves in frustration. And 30 minutes later the doctor returns and tells me;
“I’m Sorry, your wife passed”
Now I’m in my late 60s and my wife is gone, I’m jobless, and have no family to turn to.
I go home all by myself to a dingy apartment. As the days pass by, I do odd jobs and I’m able to save some money. Yet I feel life is not worth living anymore. I’m thinking of ending my life because I just can live like this anymore. And those thoughts are getting more intense and more regular. So I buy a gun and get the internet to try to learn how to use it.
As I type in the search engine; “Learn to use a gun”
The computer screen is populated with different websites on guns. After an hour of reading and before I disconnect, I type in “Jehovah”
And the screen populates. One topic catches my attention.
“JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES TOOK MY WIFE”
I click, and that was the beginning of TTATT.
I spend hours and hours reading experience after experience of the deception, lies, and pain the GB has caused families.
I keep working and buy a rifle, keep working and buy a couple automatic rifles, I start stockpiling on ammunition.
A year and a half has passed since I found out ttatt.
I feed the stray cat that shows up at my door every morning. I get my back packs, my suitcases, and pick up my one way ticket and close the door behind me………………..
There are so many people that are being kicked out after sacrificing their life to the Borg.
All it takes is ONE
this letter will be read in all the congregations of brazil on the service meeting this week.
(google translation - original available)originala todas as congregacoesprezados irmaos:nao ha duvida de que jeova tem abencoado ricamente seu povo no mundo inteiro.
isso fica evidenteno aumento do numero de publicadores e no notavel progresso espiritual de nossa organizacao.
LOL, Why don't we all just move into the WT headquarters. We seem to get all the secret correspondence before the Elders and CO's. There's nothing they do in secret that we don't get a leaked letter just minutes after it's printed.
japan had a massive increase in publishers from 1950-1998. then in 1998 something happened and jehovah's blessing switched off!!!.
1998 -222,912 publishers 3,802 congregations.
2006 -217,519 publishers 3,164 congregations.
Knowledge was not as widely available at that time. Also, the timing was right for JWs. During the 70's there was the supposed energy crisis. There was the cold war. The time was right for an end-times group like JWs. JW doctrines seemed more reasonable than many of us those taught by churches. It seemed to make sense.
You just described why I became a JW Magnum. At least I don't feel so bad now. It was beyond my control.
hello, i haven't posted for a number of years.
i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.
i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.
Why the need to divert? Why not call a spade a spade? To say this is the truth, why not just state the truth? Why dance around this? It will never be the same for me.
If you want an answer from the Bible, Jesus said that there would be a group of people preaching the end is near.
The Watchtower is the only religion known for doing this. Jesus pointed the finger at them. And in a manner of speaking, they are fulfilling Bible prophecy.
Luke 21:8New King James Version (NKJV)
And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying……., ‘
The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them.
(Luke 21:8) NWT . He said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘
The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them . . .
just a quick question for anyone who can answer.
i know jw's are not preaching in certain middle east countries because of the "danger".
yet i know for a fact catholics are there despite the danger, and many are being slaughtered and raped.. i have also travelled to many arctic and sub arctic inuit and cree communities.
Yes they are!
But their world!
i have been pondering about this for a while.
i wrote to cedars at some point an offered to help translate his articles into spanish but the answer was that they had all of their efforts committed.
i wrote to paul grundy and never got an answer.
That would be a great idea since the WT Org is heading in the Spanish domain.
In my area, last I heard there was 90 Spanish Congregations and only 20 English. The baptisms per convention range between 30-40 persons.
I'm sorry I wouldn't be able to help, the only thing I can write in Spanish is;
Que paa-so compa?
And I'm not even sure I spelled it right.
are the governing body of the wt wickedly smart with extremely high iq or are they leaders of the wt because they were at the right place at the right time.
(in other words, pure luck )-think lottery.
ive seen them talk in jwtv and you can never convince anyone in the whole world that these guys are in the same category as someone smart or cunning like jim simons who founded renaissance technologies or bill gates.
are the governing body of the wt wickedly smart with extremely high iq or are they leaders of the wt because they were at the right place at the right time.
(in other words, pure luck )-think lottery.
ive seen them talk in jwtv and you can never convince anyone in the whole world that these guys are in the same category as someone smart or cunning like jim simons who founded renaissance technologies or bill gates.
Are the Governing Body of the WT wickedly smart with extremely high IQ or are they leaders of the WT because they
were at the Right Place at The Right Time. (In other words, pure “Luck” )-Think lottery.
I’ve seen them talk in JWTV and you can never convince anyone in the whole world that these guys are in the same category as someone smart or cunning like Jim Simons who founded Renaissance Technologies or Bill Gates.
